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sstillajob,andthenunderstandinghowyoumakesurethatwithinthecontainerofthejobyoucandotheworkthatyouwanttodo.Thatisareallydifficultbalancetomake.Soifyoucanunderstandhowpeoplewhohedoneitbeforeyou,youcancopythem.”ShowNotes@mckinneykelseykelseymckinney.comMcKinneyonLongformMcKinney’sDefectorarchive[04:00]“WhyDoesn’tMrs.DallowayGetaDayofHerOwn?”(Slate•Jan2000)[13:00]“ChrisEvans:AmericanMarvel”(EdithZimmerman•GQ•July2011)[23:00]McKinney’sDeadspinarchive[31:00]GodSparetheGirls(HarperCollins•2022)[39:00]“GossipIsNotaSin”(NewYorkTimes•July2021)[43:00]YouDidn’tHearThisFromMe(Viking•2025)[58:00]“LearningToPlayPianoWhenThereIsNoRecital”(Defector•Dec2023)May2024PermalinkMay8PodcastLongformPodcast#578:LissaSoepYourbrowserdoesnotsupporttheaudioplayer.Clickheretodownloadthepodcast.PlayinNewWindowDownloadLissaSoepisanaudioproducer,editorandauthorwhoselatestbookisOtherPeople’sWords:Friendship,Loss,andtheConversationsThatNeverEnd.“Iamsokeenlyawareofhowmuchmyownvoiceisaproductofeditingrelationshipsandco-producingrelationshipswithotherpeople'swords.…Iwillforeverfeelindebtedtothosethen-youngpeoplewhoarenowwritersandeducatorsandtherapists.…Ifeellikemyvoiceissortofaproductofthattime.”ShowNotes[00:00]OtherPeople’sWords:Friendship,Loss,andtheConversationsthatNeverEnd(Spiegel&Grau•2024)[00:00]YRMedia[33:00]"LaurieAndersonHasaMesseforUsHumans"(SamAnderson•NewYorkTimesMazine•Oct2021)May2024PermalinkMay1PodcastLongformPodcast#577:PJVogtYourbrowserdoesnotsupporttheaudioplayer.Clickheretodownloadthepodcast.PlayinNewWindowDownloadPJVogtisthehostofSearchEngine.“Oneofourtestseditoriallyisifwethinkwe’vegotsomethinggood,butwehen’tstartedreportingorrecordingonit,I’lljusttryaskingthequestionatdinnerandstuff.Ifitderailsconversations,that’sareallygoodsign.”ShowNotes@PJVogtVogt’sSubstackVogtonLongformPodcast[03:00]“WhyAreThereSoManyIllegalWeedStoresinNewYorkCity?(Part1)”(SearchEngine•Mar2024)[03:00]“WhyAreThereSoManyIllegalWeedStoresinNewYorkCity?(Part2)”(SearchEngine•April2024)[03:00]“WhenDoYouKnowIt’sTimetoStopDrinking?”(SearchEngine•Jan2024)[08:00]“WhyAreThereSoManyChickenBonesontheStreet?(Part1)”(SearchEngine•Jan2024)[08:00]“WhyAreThereSoManyChickenBonesontheStreet?(Part2)”(SearchEngine•Jan2024)[13:00]“IsThereaSaneWaytoUsetheInternet?”(SearchEngine•Oct2023)[15:00]“HowDoYouSurviveFame?”(SearchEngine•Feb2024)[15:00]“TheTaoofRickRubin”(NewYorkTimes•TheEzraKleinShow•Feb2023)[15:00]“RickRubinSaysTrustYourGut,NotYourAudience”(BariWeiss•TheFreePress•Mar2023)[16:00]“RickRubin,TheSeclusiveZenMaster”(TimFerriss•Jan2023)[16:00]“FrankSinatraHasaCold”(GayTalese•Esquire•April1966)[18:00]TheEzraKleinShow[18:00]FreshAir[19:00]CryptoIsland(JigsawProductions•2022)[26:00]“DoPoliticalYardSignsActuallyDoAnything?”(SearchEngine•Apr2024)[27:00]ReplyAll[35:00]“What’sGoingonWithElonMusk?”(SearchEngine•July2023)[38:00]“What’sItLiketoGoBlind?(SearchEngine•July2023)May2024PermalinkApril24PodcastLongformPodcast#576:LindsayPeoplesYourbrowserdoesnotsupporttheaudioplayer.Clickheretodownloadthepodcast.PlayinNewWindowDownloadLindsayPeoplesistheeditor-in-chiefofTheCut.“Youseesomanyincrediblepeoplemakeonemistakeandlosetheirjobortheyspeakoutaboutsomethingandthenthenextdaysomethingblowsup.AndsoIdothinkthatIoftenfeellikeIhetobesocareful.Andthat'shardtodobecauseI'mjustnaturallycuriousandIwanttoknowandIwanttofindandexploreanddothethings.ButI'mawarethat…peoplethinkI'mtooyoung.I'mtooBlack.I'mawareofallthosetDàihingsandI'mstillgoingtotry.”ShowNotes[01:00]"EverywhereandNowhere:WhatIt’sReallyLiketoBeBlackandWorkinFashion"(TheCut•Aug2018)[09:00]TheDevilWearsPrada(Fox2000Pictures•2006)[29:00]DidHaskellonLongformPodcast[31:00]"ShouldILeeMyHusband?TheLureofDivorce"(EmilyGould•TheCut•Feb2024)[31:00]"TheDayIPut$50,000inaShoeBoxandHandedIttoaStranger"(CharlotteCowles•TheCut•Feb2024)[31:00]"eGapRelationships:TheCaseforMarryinganOlderMan"(GrazieSophiaChristie•TheCut•Mar2024)[50:00]"IsThereRoomforFashionCriticisminaRacistIndustry?"(TheCut•Aug2021)Apr2024PermalinkApril19PodcastPolkAwardWinners:JasonMotlhYourbrowserdoesnotsupporttheaudioplayer.Clickheretodownloadthepodcast.PlayinNewWindowDownloadJasonMotlh,ajournalistandfilmmaker,isacontributingeditoratRollingStoneandthefounderofBlackbeardFilms.HewonthePolk'sSydneySchanbergPrizefor“ThisWillEndinBloodandAshes,”anaccountofthecollapseoforderinHaiti.“Onceyou'vegottenusedtothiskindofmetabolism,itcanbehardtowalkawayfromit.Ordinarylifecanbealittleflatsometimes.Andsothat'salwayskindofbuiltin.Iacceptthat.IthinkI'vejusttriedtobemorehonestaboutlike,[amItakingthisrisk]becauseIneedabumpmylife?Ordoyoureallybelieveinwhatyou'redoing?AndIfeellikeIreallydoneedtobelieveinthepurposeofthestory.Therehastobesomemotivationgreaterthanmyself."Thisisthelastinaseriesofconversationswithwinnersofthisyear'sGeorgePolkAwardsinJournalism.Apr2024PermalinkApril18PodcastPolkAwardWinners:BrianHoweyYourbrowserdoesnotsupporttheaudioplayer.Clickheretodownloadthepodcast.PlayinNewWindowDownloadBrianHoweyisafreelancejournalistwhowonthePolkAwardforJusticeReportingafterexposingadeceptivepDàioliceta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Platformer.HernewbookisExtremelyHardcore:InsideElonMusk’sTwitter.“Beingthepersonwhereit'safireableoffensetoleaktoyou…iskindofabadgeofhonor.”ShowNoteszoeschiffer.comSchiffer'sPlatformerarchiveExtremelyHardcore:InsideElonMusk’sTwitter(Portfolio•2024)[03:00]Schiffer'sVergearchive[08:00]"HowTwitter’schildpornproblemruineditsplansforanOnlyFanscompetitor"(ZoëSchifferandCaseyNewton•Verge•Aug2022)[16:00]GoingInfinite:TheRiseandFallofaNewTycoon(MichaelLewis•W.W.Norton•2023)[36:00]ElonMusk:Tesla,SpaceX,andtheQuestforaFantasticFuture(AshleeVance•Ecco•2017)[41:00]AskaSwoleWoman(CaseyJohnston)Feb2024PermalinkJanuary31PodcastLongformPodcast#566:PatriciaEvangelistaYourbrowserdoesnotsupporttheaudioplayer.Clickheretodownloadthepodcast.PlayinNewWindowDownloadPatriciaEvangelistaisatraumajournalistwhosecovereofthedrugwarinthePhilippineshasappearedinRappler,Esquire,andelsewhere.HerrecentbookisSomePeopleNeedKilling:AMemoirofMurdDàierinMyCountry.“ItishardtodescribethebeatIdowithoutsayingveryoftenitinvolvespeoplewhohedied.Anditseemedlikeanunfairwaytoframeit.Itdidn'tquiteseemright.…Sometimesthere'snodeadbody,orsometimesthere's6,000,butthefunctionisthesame:thatthepeopleyouspeaktohegonethroughenormouspainfultrauma,andthenthere'sawaytocoveritthatminimizesthattrauma.So…Idon'tcoverthedead.Icovertrauma.”ShowNotesEvangelista'sRapplerarchiveSomePeopleNeedKilling:AMemoirofMurderinMyCountry(RandomHouse•2023)[01:00]TheMastermind:ATrueStoryofMurder,Empire,andaNewKindofCrimeLord(EvanRatliff•RandomHouse•2020)[11:00]Evangelista'sPhilippineDailyInquirerarchive[21:00]"TheRaptureofRodrigoDuterte"(PatriciaEvangelistaandNicoleCurato•Rappler•May2016)Jan2024PermalinkJanuary24PodcastLongformPodcast#565:SusanB.GlasserYourbrowserdoesnotsupporttheaudioplayer.Clickheretodownloadthepodcast.PlayinNewWindowDownloadSusanGlasser,theformereditorofPoliticoandForeignPolicy,writesthe"LetterfromWashington"columnfortheTheNewYorker.Hermostrecentbook,writtenwithPeterBaker,isTheDivider:TrumpintheWhiteHouse,2017-2021.“There’sagreatbenefittoleingWashingtonandthencomingback,orfranklyleinganywhereandthencomingback.Ithinkyouhemuchwideropeneyes.Washington,likealotofcompanytowns,takesonalogicofitsown,andthingsthatcanseemcrazytotherestofthecountry,totherestoftheworld,somehowendupmakingmoresensethantheyshouldwhenyou’rejustdoingthatalldaylong,everyday.”ShowNotes@sbg1GlasseronLongformGlasser’sNewYorkerarchive[05:00]“TheYearWeStoppedBeingAbletoPretendAboutTrump”(NewYorker•Dec2023)[16:00]Glasser’sPoliticoarchive[20:00]TheManWhoRanWashington(GlasserandPeterBaker•Anchor•2021)[28:00]PeterBaker'sNewYorkTimesarchive[29:00]KremlinRising(GlasserandPeterBaker•Scribner•2005)[37:00]TheoBakerontheLongformPodcastJan2024Permalink23···523Oldervar_gaq=_gaq||[];_gaq.push(['_setAccount','UA--6']);_gaq.push(['_trackPeview']);(function(){varga=document.createElement('script');ga.type='text/jascript';ga.async=true;ga.src=(':'==document.location.protocol?'ssl':'httpwww')+'.google-analytics.com/ga.js';vars=document.getElementsByTName('script')[0];s.parentNode.insertBefore(ga,s);})();varclicky_site_ids=clicky_site_ids||[];clicky_site_ids.push();(function(){vars=document.createElement('script');s.type='text/jascript';s.async=true;s.src='//static.getclicky.com/js';(document.getElementsByTName('head')[0]||document.getElementsByTName('body')[0]).appendChild(s);})();var_qevents=_qevents||[];(function(){varelem=document.createElement('script');elem.src=(document.location.protocol==":"?"secure":"httpedge")+".quantserve.com/quant.js";elem.async=true;elem.type="text/jascript";varscpt=document.getElementsByTName('script')[0];scpt.parentNode.insertBefore(elem,scpt);})();_qevents.push({qacct:"p-b1RaU1KvBvYFc"});